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Two operators, one guest, forty minutes. Unrehearsed, and occasionally wrong on tape. First Tuesday of the month, once we’re rolling.
Most AI podcasts interview people about the future. This one interviews people about last Tuesday.
The premise of the show is the premise of the book: the machines took the producing, and what is left is management. Erkang wrote the argument; Jake has spent a career watching companies fail to execute one. The guests are the people already living it — a COO who rebuilt her org around three people and a queue of agents, an engineering lead whose team deleted its ticketing system, a manager who found out half her job was relay work.
No futurists. No predictions we can’t be held to. If a claim can’t survive a follow-up question, it doesn’t make the cut.
Someone who actually changed how their team works. Not a futurist.
Got slop? Send us the worst thing a machine confidently handed you this month and we may read it on air. The best one each episode gets the segment. hello@work-afterai.com
Host — Founder & CEO, Ariso. Previously founder of JupiterOne.
An engineer by training and an entrepreneur at heart, he has spent more than two decades building enterprise software and leading engineering organizations at IBM, Fidelity Investments and Cisco. He wrote the book this show argues about.
Co-host — Fractional CMO and go-to-market advisor. Advisor to Ariso.
Former chief marketing officer at Pendo and at Visier, and chief of research at Gartner, where he launched the CMO practice. His “vague foreboding” — the low-grade dread that your teams are expending effort on the wrong things — gave chapters fifteen and sixteen of the book their felt truth.
Premiere
The premiere, and we indict ourselves first. Twenty years of security instinct, beaten by one phishing email. Thirty years of judgment, matched to ninety percent in forty seconds by a model on a plane. The machines came for the boring bits — and then we found out which bits those were.
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The first wrong answer, and the one almost everyone tries: produce more. Everyone made more than they had ever made and traction went down. On slop, saturation, and the moment attention stopped trading in volume.
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It is tireless, brilliant, occasionally delusional, and it does not read the room. Six habits for managing something made of matrices — and why “faster to do it myself” is the oldest lie in management.
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Every team hit every milestone, every dashboard stayed green, and the boat spun in a circle. The most expensive line item in the global economy appears on no invoice.
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The people whose whole job was the answer. Half of it is being automated on schedule; the other half is the part we always claimed the job was about and never protected time for.
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The season finale, and the only answer we have that survives contact with a Tuesday. Not a promotion anyone announced. Not a comfort. Just the oldest job there is, handed to everyone at once.
Titles are the plan, not a promise — the slate moves when a guest is worth moving it for.
We are looking for people who changed how their team actually works and can say what it cost them. Not a thought leader. An operator with scar tissue.
Pitch a guest →Call sheet
One email when episode one is live, and one a month after that. Plus the free book on your way in.
No spam, no drip sequence, one-click unsubscribe.
Studio audience
Operators, founders, and a surprising number of chiefs of staff.
No drip sequence, no “just circling back.” We are managers now — we know what your attention costs.